{"id":1209,"date":"2021-11-07T20:59:07","date_gmt":"2021-11-08T00:59:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/?p=1209"},"modified":"2021-11-07T20:59:07","modified_gmt":"2021-11-08T00:59:07","slug":"gurdjieff-death-and-immortality-two-papers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/gurdjieff-death-and-immortality-two-papers\/","title":{"rendered":"Gurdjieff, Death, and Immortality: Two Papers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-1212 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590-1024x512.png?resize=625%2C313&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"625\" height=\"313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?resize=1024%2C512&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?resize=300%2C150&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?resize=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?resize=624%2C312&amp;ssl=1 624w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?w=1330&amp;ssl=1 1330w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/11\/Gurdjieff-Death-Immortality-e1636333085590.png?w=1250&amp;ssl=1 1250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In early 2020, I had been considering attending the All &amp; Everything conference, since it was to be held in Salem, Massachusetts, not far from where I live. But then circumstances caused the in-person conference to be cancelled and instead, the conference would be held online. This was less interesting to me, so I did not attend.<\/p>\n<p>Still, I had an interest in what was to be presented at the conference. And in researching what papers were to be submitted to the conference, I came across a paper by Jan Jarvis and later a rebuttal to her paper by Rafael Lefort Jr.<\/p>\n<p>The papers were particularly interesting to me in that they presented Gurdjieff\u2019s ideas on death and immortality, the rebuttal more accurately than the original paper, in my opinion.<\/p>\n<p>The Jarvis 2020 paper is titled <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/41685951\/Role_of_Abstract_Ideals_in_the_Creation_of_Kesdjan?sm=b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Role of Abstract Ideals in the Creation of the Kesdjan<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The Lefort Jr rebuttal is titled <a href=\"https:\/\/gurdjieff.work\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/Secular-Humanism-in-Esoteric-Clothing.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Esoteric Christianity vs. Secular Humanism in Esoteric Clothing: A Rebuttal to \u2018Role of Abstract Ideals in the Creation of the Kesdjan\u2019<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The original paper was presented at a conference in 2020 and recently, the Q&amp;A for the conference was published. It is evident however from the Q&amp;A that her assertions were hardly challenged at all.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re interested in the topics of death and immortality as presented by Gurdjieff, I recommend reading the rebuttal\u2014it touches on all of the points of the original paper and is more thoroughly researched on the topics presented. To date, I have seen no counter paper to refute the Lefort Jr rebuttal.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In early 2020, I had been considering attending the All &amp; Everything conference, since it was to be held in Salem, Massachusetts, not far from where I live. But then circumstances caused the in-person conference to be cancelled and instead, the conference would be held online. This was less interesting to me, so I did [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1209","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gurdjieffism"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1209","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1209"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1209\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1216,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1209\/revisions\/1216"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1209"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1209"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/robcouture.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1209"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}